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Re: [ITPOLITIK] Både patent og copyright forsamme produkt ?



Hej Ole.

Ole Tange wrote:
>Eller er PTO sat over lovgivningen
> > så man ikke kan gøre dem ansvarlige for deres handlinger ? 
> PTO er nok ikke, men EPO kunne godt se sådan ud.

Lyder som an sag for DF ;-)

> > Det kræver selvfølgelig en sponsorering, men det kan måske løses.
> Det lyder interessant.

Jeg tilbyder desværre ikke en fuld blanco check, men kan vi finde den rette
model, så vil jeg gerne hjælpe med at skrue den samme, bidrage økonomisk og
teknisk samt hjælpe med at finde sponsorpenge.

> > So if you pay royalties for patents as well as paying for the
> > software, are you then ok? The answer is again maybe or probably not.
> > The reason is that you as a user of closed source (proprietary)
> > software, you do not have a possible way to check which patents are
> > likely to cover the actual code. To be fair, as a user of Open Source,
> > you do not have a practical way of checking this either.
> 
> Dette afsnit er noget pjat.

Hvilken del ?

Jeg regner med, at vi er enige om, at det ikke er muligt at checke closed
source, med mindre firmaer som MS offentliggør en liste over patenter,
der gælder for algoritmer i softwaren. Herunder også tredjepartspatenter.
Selv om de lavede en sådan liste, er det ikke sikkert at den er komplet.

Med hensyn til OpenSource, så kan man f.eks. bruge OggVorbis. Her er det
stadig uvist om visse patenter inden for lyd og algoritmer er krænket. Da
de færreste vil være i stand til først at læse sourcekode og derefter
søge i patentlister for at se om sourcekoden kan være omfattet af et
patent, så er der ikke rigtig nogen praktisk måde at sikre sig på.

> Jeg synes du mangler noget om, at man kan stille leverandøren ansvarlig -
> ligesom Aarhus Olie har gjort:
> http://www.softwarepatenter.dk/aarhus_olie.html

Jeg tror ikke man kan få f.eks. Microsoft, Real eller Apple til at
acceptere dette. Disse firmaer fritager sig selv specifikt for et
sådant ansvar.

> > If you feel this is an unacceptable risk, then either do not stream or
> > ask you elected representative for your national parliament to explain
> > why we are in such a mess and how he/she intends to get us out of it.
> > A third option could be an army of skilled but usually expensive
> > lawyers.
> Og hvad ville du bruge disse lawyers til?

En advokat er blot en ting eller lejesoldat. Man bruger lejesoldater til at
holde fjenden fra døren, hvis man har råd. De er ingen garanti for udfaldet,
men uden er man et let bytte.

--PMM


 
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